Talk:Abd al Razaq Abdallah Hamid Ibrahim al Sharikh

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explanation[edit]

I reverted this excision for several reasons.

First, I believe the good faith contributor has misunderstood WP:VER. We can't be concerned when material does not seem credible to us, when that material is verifiable from authoritative WP:RS.

Second, the edit summary claims:

"You say: "Pentagon claim he had "returned to the fight" Your source for that is the NYT article. Have a look at it. It has been edited and does not verify this anymore. WP:BOP WP:GRAPEVINE"

However one of the NYTimes article said, and still says: al Sharikh, Abd al Razaq Abdallah Hamid Ibrahim -- Sept. 5, 2007 -- Saudi Arabia -- Suspected.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 03:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's wrong. There is no misunderstanding of WP:VER. I have removed the information here because the cited source does not unambiguously support the information as it is presented in the article.
The article says: "Pentagon claim he had "returned to the fight" This is not unambiguously supported by the NYT's sources or any other source. It should be removed under WP:BOP, WP:GRAPEVINE, WP:NPF. Iqinn (talk) 05:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to find more sources for this section but i failed. WP:NPF is very clear about what kind of sources are suitable. Iqinn (talk) 07:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As I pointed out above: "However one of the NYTimes article said, and still says: al Sharikh, Abd al Razaq Abdallah Hamid Ibrahim -- Sept. 5, 2007 -- Saudi Arabia -- Suspected". You haven't explained why you don't consider this sufficient WP:RS. Geo Swan (talk) 13:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You keep citing WP:NPF, without saying why. Could you please show more courtesy for other readers, so they don't have to guess at what you mean? Geo Swan (talk) 13:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, i assumed it was clear as WP:NPF is not to long.

"Material that may adversely affect a person's reputation should be treated with special care. In the laws of many countries, simply repeating the defamatory claims of another is illegal, and there are special protections for people who are not public figures. Any such potentially damaging information about a private person, if corroborated by multiple, highly reliable sources, may be cited if and only if: (1) the allegations are relevant to the subject's notability and (2) the Wikipedia article states that the sources make certain "allegations", without the Wikipedia article taking a position on their truth."

That means the section needs multiple, highly reliable sources. What is not the case in it's current form. Secondly, that the DoD simply "suspect" him is not relevant to his notability. (I have removed the similar section in other articles only if the list says "suspected" and i have not removed it when it said "confirmed").
Another concern: You know the NYT's "misreported" the material that is in the section. It is troublesome to use it without making this very clear and only to use the misreported part without mentioning the content of the appended Editors' Note).
Finally, I have also frequently cited WP:GRAPEVINE. Because it clearly says that such material should be removed and not re-insert until controversies have been solved Iqinn (talk) 16:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

move[edit]

What is the source for the name that is used now? After carefully evaluating the sources in the article and multiple secondary sources from search results. I plan to move the article to Abd al Razaq Abdallah Hamid Ibrahim al Sharikh. Any objection? IQinn (talk) 01:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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