Talk:.45 ACP

Reorg Ammo table

The copying wholesale of copyrighted material should be removed from this page. That includes the ripping off of Marshal and Sanow data. I don't believe ANY tables on ammunition are permissible as they represent copyrighted material. But if this violation persists, I would at the very least reorganize it like this:

Full Metal Jacket - Original Factory Loads

Manufacturer	Cartridge	Bullet Weight	Muzzle Velocity	Muzzle Energy
Military	FMJ	15 g (230 gr)	261 m/s (855 ft/s)	506 J (373 ft⋅lb)
Federal	FMJ	15 g (230 gr)	260 m/s (850 ft/s)	500 J (369 ft⋅lb)
Remington	FMJ	15 g (230 gr)	255 m/s (835 ft/s)	483 J (356 ft⋅lb)

Jacketed Hollow Point

Manufacturer	Cartridge	Bullet Weight	Muzzle Velocity	Muzzle Energy
Federal	JHP	15 g (230 gr)	260 m/s (850 ft/s)	500 J (369 ft⋅lb)
Remington	JHP	15 g (230 gr)	255 m/s (835 ft/s)	483 J (356 ft⋅lb)
Winchester	JHP	15 g (230 gr)	270 m/s (880 ft/s)	537 J (396 ft⋅lb)

Plus P (not to be used in older or non Plus P certified handguns)

Manufacturer	Cartridge	Bullet Weight	Muzzle Velocity	Muzzle Energy
Atomic Ammunition Plus P	JHP	15 g (230 gr)	300 m/s (1,000 ft/s)	693 J (511 ft⋅lb)
Speer Plus P	JHP	13 g (200 gr)	330 m/s (1,080 ft/s)	702 J (518 ft⋅lb)
Hornady Plus P	JHP	15 g (230 gr)	290 m/s (960 ft/s)	625 J (461 ft⋅lb)

Lead Free .45 ACP (note all are Plus P)

Manufacturer	Cartridge	Bullet Weight	Muzzle Velocity	Muzzle Energy
Barnes Plus P	JHP	12.0 g (185 gr)	300 m/s (1,000 ft/s)	557 J (411 ft⋅lb)
Cor-Bon Plus P	JHP	12.0 g (185 gr)	328 m/s (1,075 ft/s)	644 J (475 ft⋅lb)
Buffalo Bore Plus P	JHP	12.0 g (185 gr)	350 m/s (1,150 ft/s)0	736 J (543 ft⋅lb)

This is what I'd put in the place of what is there. There are NO specific copyright names here. Digitallymade (talk) 03:06, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't see what you're objections are, nor the difference between what you've posted and what was already there. Facts are not copyrightable; only their presentation can be. So unless the tables were copied wholesale from a book or another web article, there isn't a copyright issue.

ETA: Never mind, you changed it before I looked at it. I don't see that there was anything wrong with the old table, unless, as I said, it was copied wholesale out of a book. − Bardbom (talk) 05:20, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I just wanted to note that if someone uses the specified metric values of the various cartridges, they do not add up to the listed muzzle energy. I suspect that's due to the original values being in imperial measurements and then being converted to metric with variances due to dropping decimal places. Are we happy to remain with the converted values or would there be a benefit to doing the calculations by hand and including those values? I could see it being argued either way as the variances are probably within the bounds of manufacturing tolerance in real-world situations. - MarkTBSc (talk) 13:45, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

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Two different case capacities mentioned

Sorry if I do anything wrong here, that's my first "talk". I realized that there are two different case capacities mentioned on this page:

"Case capacity 26.7 gr H2O (1.73 cm3)" in the tech specs and "The .45 ACP has 1.62 mL (25 grains H2O) cartridge case capacity." in chapter "Cartridge dimensions".

Is there a reason for that?`

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Friedrich Oesch (talk • contribs) 19:52, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Correction on Performance

In the second-to-last paragraph on performance in the FBI article it cites, it says that the .45ACP "was no more effective with regard to terminal ballistics than either 9 x 19mm Parabellum or .40 S&W.", this is patently false as it states in the source of the article that there is no "no discernible increase in terminal performance", when weighed against higher recoil and reduced magazine capacity. I will be changing that section to more closely mirror the FBI document. 173.59.11.121 (talk) 08:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Correction needed on Ammo

Where it lists the energy of 230 gr (15 g) FMJ, Double Tap, I just checked Midway USA selling the ammo and the ballistics information for the ammunition on here is either out of date, or conflicting with the source. Doubletap Ammo is currently listed as having 1000 FPS and 511 ft. lbs of energy.

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