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@Renatones The addition of “with geopolitical ties to Europe” is redundant and not an improvement, the lead already states that Armenia is generally considered geopolitically European in the 4th paragraph where that information belongs and where the consensus is that information goes. Armenia is a country fully in West Asia, as you can see even it’s MFA states it is in West Asia and not in Europe, Armenia being part of Council of Europe doesn’t change that, it’s also a member of the Asian Development Bank and a regional member of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank. Regardless, Armenia is not a European country and the geopolitical ties do not belong in the first sentence as a qualifier to its geographic location, per MOS:LEAD that information is usually presented in the 4th paragraph of the lead as it already was and without spamming 4 citations that affect the readability of the article. TagaworShah(talk) 12:38, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you. To me, it reads, in a way, like an article describing its subject in the first sentence as, not just "an African American surgeon" but "an African American surgeon with light skin", as though "African American" were understood as a somewhat negative quality and "with light skin" were intended as mitigation. It isn't a perfect analogy because the exact tone of a person's skin doesn't belong in an article at all, but, still, the geopolitical ties of a country aren't generally raised in the opening sentence ("Tunisia is an African country with political ties to France"), so its presence here seems explicable only as a way of insisting that while Armenia is in Asia, it can pass as European. This suggests that being in Asia is inferior to being in Europe, which is offensive. Largoplazo (talk) 15:30, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes the geopolitical ties of Armenia should not be used as a qualifier to negate its position as a West Asian country or a West Asian civilization. The claims that because Armenia is Christian and has democratic systems that means it upholds European values and cultures is antiquated and rooted in Eurocentrism. There is an entire paragraph about Armenia’s geopolitical situation, we don’t need an extra qualifier repeating the same thing making it seem like geopolitical ties somehow makes Armenia European. TagaworShah(talk) 16:01, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Armenia is in Europe because Armenia is in EU-Eastern Partnership. It's not from simple person bloger. You don't have right to discriminate me. It's their criterias that the country should be in Europe for be in Eastern European partnership
Believe it or not, Europe existed, and was defined, centuries before there was an EU. They aren't the definers of it for the entire world. Also, note that when Turkey joined the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, it didn't suddenly find itself with a North Atlantic coast. Largoplazo (talk) 00:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
who then that should define Europe? UN? But UN is not geografical Institution and before UN Armenia was existed and was part of Europe too in some recorses and UN is not who should define the world regions. It's just political organization just including all nations for cooperation. Turkey has not to with all of these and it doesn't matter who when joining to partnership or organizations. It's not good example by you. In EU they say about because of geografical misunderstanding they created EU-EASTERN partnership. You don't want to accept that EU has CRITERIAS that countries has to be in European continent for be qualified for Eastern European partnership then in your opinion they are stupid? They don't know Eurupe regions? It's funny. You're wrong if you think like that. Sorry fanatically believing in UN it's not right. UN is not better not the only true and not geographical institutions in this world. Even in Belgium schools they teach South Caucasus in Europe region so every one is stupid in Europe but USA not? It's funny while even US government website uncertainty define South Caucasus in Middle East not matching with the reality. I know in USA they are not good in geography. The majority of recourses in Europe are defining and teaching South Caucasus in Europe it depends on students if they learn or remembering and even Edinburgh Geografical Institute but you insist in your uncertain information. Why then USA Canada Japan Israel received observer status in Council of Europe while South Caucasus which you say allegedly is in Asia received membership? It's logically they don't have nothing to do with European regions because I guess you don't know that they have criterias too that the country should be wholly or partly in Europe for be member. Those could receive membership because they have connection with EU. How they are making criterias so if they are not who should define Europe or if they don't know Europe regions? European Political Community is also for European continent. They say that, not me. But you think you're the only truth and they are not important. Also we are member state of PostEurop which is for Europe region who is in Europe wholly or partly. And in Belgium schools they don't teach I am partially. Why USA is not in European Political Community PostEurop etc then? Because It's for Europe region issues. Your claim that Armenia is country in Asia is not matching with reality and cause of you I am having conflict with people defining me Middle Eastern Asian or something like that. There are of course people who don't care this uncertain information but the majority of people believe in this disinformations
This is from Belgium schools which one Armenian woman shared from there. They teach also Armenia in Europe
UK in a Changing Europe (UKICE) is a UK-wide network of academics and researchers coordinated from King’s College London. Here is saying all countries in Europe is in European Political Community then Armenia is in Europe cause it's member
p.s there is news on Euronews from them that they were mentioning the phrase "European continent" talking about democracy in European continent so how then they are wrong not who should define Europe but you right and you are who should define Europe? That's not right to think. 212.34.242.62 (talk) 09:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Spanish University is also showing South Caucasia in Europe
P.s so according to you they all are stupid or not who should define Europe?. That's not right 212.34.242.62 (talk) 10:18, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I got also Cambridge University Europe map where is showing South Caucasia in Europe
By the way, the description is also not accurate. The official Republic of Armenia is not in Armenian Highlands, it's on South Caucasus because Armenian Highlands it's a historical name of Armenian land inside of Eastern part of the current Turkey which later they did distort named into Eastern Anatolia 212.34.242.62 (talk) 16:38, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I would like to make a correction about Armenia being culturally European. It is both geographically and culturally West Asian but geopolitically European. Almost every part of our Hayastani culture is similar if not the same as our West Asian Neighbors, Turkey, Iran and Azerbaijan. All differences of religion being put aside. TigranG81 (talk) 20:09, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Revision as of 15:29, 26 March 2024 I don’t understand how the participant’s actions are justified Archives908. Trying to add to the Pregistory part, every time my edits are deleted by the participant Archives908. Yes, perhaps they are not very well written mentally, but this does not add the right to remove all the edits. Armen888 (talk) 15:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
here it is absolutely unclear why the edit was removed, I agree there are errors in the formulation of thoughts, but otherwise there are no errors 46.71.61.249 (talk) 16:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Not very well written mentally"....that is precisely why your edits are being reverted. You are copy and pasting information from the Armenia article on Armenian Wikipedia. It does not translate well. There are plenty of grammatical, phrasing, sentence structure, and punctuation concerns that fully warranted a reversal of your edits. Surely, it isn't my responsibility to fix everything. I've already recommended that you 1) slow down, 2) try editing on your sandbox, 3) put forth your suggestions here for review/feedback from more experienced editors, and 4) above all, proofread before publishing! 16:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC) Archives908 (talk) 16:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A further idea is to consider expanding Prehistoric Armenia instead. The section and detail in that part of this article already seems too long, while Prehistoric Armenia is not far past its stub stage. Efforts that try and expand Prehistory at this very high level page are misdirected. CMD (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yes you are right but 1) I don’t know who to contact for help about this article 2) I want to extend the information in the Prehistoric section and if you don’t mind I’ll add at least a few sentences to this part and 3) I’m not just copying and pasting, in my first edit was errors with links which I successfully corrected Armen888 (talk) 17:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
for example, it is written that people entered the territory of Armenia 1 million years ago, although studies say that the people arrived 2 million years ago Armen888 (talk) 17:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and the photos that I change simply give a better overview of the area Armen888 (talk) 17:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
my edits have already been made in the draft, all that remains is to add them to the page, but I can shorten these sentences, because in articles from other countries in this section sometimes more is written in my edit Armen888 (talk) 17:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I made an edit that is significantly smaller than my draft, I hope it turned out okay this time Armen888 (talk) 17:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The Iron Age in Armenia begins in the 2nd millennium BC. Armenian Highlands rich in iron reserves(Syunik, Mush, Hınıs, etc.) became the main supplier of raw materials and took a dominant position in Middle Asia." - odd tense used, spacing issues.
"The first sub-phase of the Old Stone Age of the primitive society"- this isn't very clear.
This is the third time I have asked you to please put forth your suggestions on this talk page under a new subheading for feedback BEFORE you continue adding material. This way, it can be peer reviewed before publishing. Do you understand? Archives908 (talk) 18:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I understand what you are saying, I'm just trying to fill it in at least so that the image of Shengavit is separate from the shoe from the areni cave!, and humans get in to territory of Armenia 2 million years ago not 1 million Armen888 (talk) 18:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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