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== RexxS RfA bureaucrat chat ==
'''Initiated by ''' [[User:Pudeo|Pudeo]] ([[User talk:Pudeo|talk]]) '''at''' 11:28, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Involved parties ===
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*{{userlinks|Pudeo}}, ''filing party''
*{{admin|Maxim}}

;Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
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*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMaxim&type=revision&diff=891978151&oldid=891810007 Maxim notified]

;Confirmation that other steps in [[Wikipedia:dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] have been tried
* Dissent at [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/RexxS/Bureaucrat chat]]

=== Statement by Pudeo ===
The [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/RexxS|RfA for RexxS]] finished with <s>196</s>164 supports, 92 opposes and 15 neutral votes which meant a support rate of 64.1 % that falls under the 65-70 % discretionary range. Despite this, bureaucrat {{u|Maxim}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/RexxS/Bureaucrat_chat&oldid=891558936 opened] the crat chat, stating that {{tq|it has also been somewhat customary, for better or worse, to extend somewhat of a leniency with respect to the numbers, for editors with a longer history on the project.}} The crat chat ended 7-4 with consensus to promote.

The discretionary range was decided in a [[Wikipedia:2015 administrator election reform/Phase II/RfC#C1: Expand discretionary range to 65%|2015 election reform RfC]]. Administrator {{u|Biblioworm}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Header&type=revision&diff=697363992&oldid=688800662&diffmode=source modified] the RfA header with the following text in December 2015: {{tq|''in general'', RfAs that finish between 65–75% support are subject to the discretion of bureaucrats}}. However, the RfC question or closing statement had nothing about the range being just a "in general" principle. The community explicitly voted against the minimum 60 % range and instead wanted to range to be approximately a two-thirds [[supermajority]], but not less than 65 %.

According to [[WP:BUREAUCRAT]], bureaucrats {{tq|are bound by policy and consensus only to grant administrator or bureaucrat access when doing so reflects the wishes of the community}}. The bureaucrats' actions are not within the mandate they have been given. It would be a bad look if a WMF UK board member, who is considered a divisive editor for his conduct, had a different rule set applied. Neither do the bureaucrats have a supervote over the community that civility concerns do not carry weight. Bureaucrat {{u|UninvitedCompany}} specifically [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/RexxS/Bureaucrat_chat&type=revision&diff=891903802&oldid=891897835&diffmode=source disagreed] with the role that some other bureaucrats were taking with regards to this.

Respectfully, I am requesting the Committee to consider 1) affirming the 2015 election reform RfC, 2) review whether Maxim and possibly other bureaucrats acted within policy, and 3) overturning the bureaucrat chat. Only the ArbCom is able to do this. --[[User:Pudeo|Pudeo]] ([[User talk:Pudeo|talk]]) 11:28, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
:Although this got eight declines already, I think there were some interesting arguments in the statements and perhaps someone else will bring this to a RfC. I understand that the Arbs don't want to weigh in on this case, but I don't understand why in principle they couldn't, if they could deflag crats and desysop users who passed RfAs. Bureucrats need to be accountable too, especially given that they hold the flag indefinitely. Civility is a core pillar of Wikipedia and thus it is odd that some of the crats would consider opposing votes based on that less weighty. Lastly, 64.1 % is the lowest percentage for a succesful RfA ever (with the exception of one voluntary one) so the crats used exceptional power here. --[[User:Pudeo|Pudeo]] ([[User talk:Pudeo|talk]]) 23:28, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Maxim ===
=== Statement by SoWhy ===
Crats were chosen for their ability to assess consensus without being bound to numbers. The whole RFA system relies on the fact that there is no fixed number / ratio one has to reach to become an administrator. If it did, it would be an election and we wouldn't need crats at all (except to flip the bit). The community has (in the cited RFC and elsewhere) time and time again decided that it did not want elections for admins. With RexxxS, these principles were tested but not broken. So there is nothing to arbitrate here. Also, ArbCom is the last resort and here the filer could easily have started a new RFC to allow the community to review whether it still believes that crats should ultimately be the ones to decide edge cases, which [[WP:STICK|seems to be at the heart of this request]]. I thus urge the Committee to decline this request. On a side note, I cannot see any consensus in the cited RFC that all RFAs below 65% '''must''' fail, which is what the filer alleges. Regards [[User:SoWhy|<span style="color:#7A2F2F;font-variant:small-caps">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="color:#474F84;font-variant:small-caps">Why</span>]] 11:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

*Since the filer disagrees with the outcome of the crat chat, shouldn't all participating crats be parties of this request, especially those in favor of promotion? Regards [[User:SoWhy|<span style="color:#7A2F2F;font-variant:small-caps">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="color:#474F84;font-variant:small-caps">Why</span>]] 12:09, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Hhkohh ===
Seven crats endorse the RfA promotion while only four crats opposed to promoting. I do not see how poor it is [[User:Hhkohh|Hhkohh]] ([[User talk:Hhkohh|talk]]) 11:40, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''note''' {{u|Pudeo}} cast oppose vote in RfA [[User:Hhkohh|Hhkohh]] ([[User talk:Hhkohh|talk]]) 11:46, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Fæ ===
I urge decline. People are blowing off steam in the 'crat chat, and whether 'crat exercise their discretion or not should remain an issue for that group. If folks wish to refine 'crat guidelines, the conventional method is available for making a proposal after discussion, rather than throwing Arbcom at it, like an instant veto.

With regard to RexxS' other roles off-wiki, there is zero evidence that this influenced events. The likelihood is the reverse, for those of us who know Rexx via off-wiki real life activities, we are far more likely to think twice before getting involved in on-wiki detailed decisions about our highly respected volunteer colleague. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 11:43, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

===Statement from SN 54129===
May I suggest that the candidate's nominator be added as a party to the case? An angry dino is just what the last 10 days needs to round it off. It would also demonstrate the degree to which this filing is considered...unnecessary, shall we say. [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''——'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">''SerialNumber''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#8B0000">54129</span>]] 11:52, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Alanscottwalker ===
It's not in the least true that "we wouldn't need crats at all (except to flip the bit)." The issue is over the range, but that there is a 75% to 65% range no one denies. The community did explicitly reject discretion in the 60% to 65% range [https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Wikipedia:2015_administrator_election_reform/Phase_II/RfC#C2:_Expand_discretionary_range_to_60%] and explicitly rejected discretion down to the range 50%+1 [https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Wikipedia:2015_administrator_election_reform/Phase_II/RfC#C3:_Expand_discretionary_range_to_50%+1]. I do not see how this can be arbitrated, though, partly because I think there is an upfront valid way to strike !votes but it has to be much, much more, indeed fully, transparent. -- [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 15:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

:What? It rather heightens the non-transparency, or inscrutability when Jhochman below says "Enemies of Bishonen" as no one in the crat chat mentioned that. So, that was a reason it passed? (I did not participate in the RfA, but I was on the Crat talk page). [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 13:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

:Avi: Really? Crat's are so challenged at consensus and so unable to communicate that they can't even attempt to weigh things alike, let alone be explicit in what !votes they agree to discard? Others have said, your chats seem completely arbitrary, do you honestly think there is absolutely nothing you can do about that? Might you not want to review internally, 'hey maybe some of the confusion, unknown expectation, etc., leading to poor RfA discussion starts with us.' -- [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 16:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

:Avi: Again really? You can't find nor express explicit agreement with your fellows how to weigh a single ivote, and you have no idea why people would say you are being arbitrary? You as a "we" are clear, you claim, yet you also claim you are not thinking of anything as as group, you are just saying how you individually feel differently. As for discarding, come on, not only can you explicitly say that an ivote is improper, you should be able to get multiple Crat's to say a particular ivote is improper. [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 17:10, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

:Avi: No, consensus is not a mathematical algorithm, consensus is agreement, but yes the amount of agreement matters in consensus. Nonetheless, you claim you can't even communicate and determine explicit agreement on basically anything, even approach, in your small group. -- [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 17:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

:Avi: I never said anything, here, about unanimity, but if you want I will now, WP:CONSENSUS does hold out unanimity as ideal. But no, here, I have been speaking of making and expressing explicit agreement, which is admittedly work, but it is still of value to a community. [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 17:56, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

:Mkdw: In case any of your comments are in response to my use of the word "strike", I was talking about clarity during the chat, not while the RfA was running. -- [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 19:54, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

:Sunrise: The margin is between 100% and about 66.6...%, 1/3 is a hefty shave in a usual turnout. [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 07:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

===Statement by Aiken drum===

Decline this. Bureaucrats are chosen for their judgement for cases just like this. There were many factors that prevented this from being a numerical fail, and the bureaucrat chat was the exact right response. '''[[User:Aiken drum|Aiken D]]''' 12:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

===Statement by Xeno===

:''Disclosure: Current bureaucrat; participated in subject discussion (opined consensus to promote)''

Seems a matter for an RFC, not arbitration. –[[User:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:#000">talk</sup>]] 12:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Bureaucrats strive to adhere to any policies and guidelines in place relevant to the role. The [[special:PermanentLink/888279821#Becoming_an_administrator|relevant policy at the time the RfA was put forth]] indicated the {{xt|determination is not based exclusively on the percentage of support, but in practice most RfAs above 75% pass. The community has determined that in general, RfAs between 65 and 75% support should be subject to the discretion of bureaucrats. (Therefore, it logically follows that almost all RfAs below 65% support will fail.)}} The use of "''almost'' all" all makes it clear that a sub 65% finish does not translate into an automatic fail. This policy has remained unchanged for over three years. –[[User:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:#000">talk</sup>]] 12:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

RfA is, always has been, a discussion, not a vote, so those referring to 'ballot counting', rigid percentages, etc. are somewhat missing the point. We could do away with the percentage ticker altogether.

Those mentioning "supervoting", could you clarify if you are referring to the notion of [[supervoting shares]] (which bureaucrats arguably possess in a bureaucrat discussion) or if referring to [[Wikipedia:Supervote]], indicate which type you feel was expressed in the bureaucrat discussion? –[[User:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:#000">talk</sup>]] 13:57, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by SemiHypercube ===
This should be declined, opening the 'crat chat despite being below 65% seems like a pretty [[WP:IAR]] move to me, and there appears to be consensus to promote anyway. [[User:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#090">Semi</b>]][[User talk:SemiHypercube|<i style="color:#099">Hyper</i>]][[Special:Contributions/SemiHypercube|<u style="color:#009">cube</u>]] 12:17, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] (crat chat) ===
The RFA !vote range has never been a hard and fast rule, it has always been a guideline, with crats being able to use their discretion outside of the guideline range. That's a core Wikipedia principle, that consensus is not and has never been decided purely by numbers. Prior to the RFC, the [[WP:RFA]] page said...
:"''Historically, most of those above 75 percent approval pass and most of those below 70 percent fail. However, the actual decision of passing or failing is subject to the bureaucrats' discretion and judgment, and in some cases further discussion."''"
After the RFC it was changed (after several modifications) to say...
:"''In practice, most RfAs above 75% support pass. In December 2015 the community determined that in general, RfAs that finish between 65 and 75% support are subject to the discretion of bureaucrats (so, therefore, almost all RfAs below 65% will fail).''" (Oh, and it still prefixes that with "''Consensus at RfA is not determined by surpassing a numerical threshold, but by the strength of rationales presented''".)
Both of those wordings clearly mean that the range is not mandatory, and the RFC did not need to add "generally" because the policy already effectively said that - the RFC merely changed the numbers. That the RFC said nothing about changing policy to make the range mandatory means it remained non-mandatory, as it was before. <s>This is an attempt</s> Enforcing a hard 65% lower limit would enforce an alleged mandatory policy that simply does not exist, and would subvert our core principle of consensus into a vote. In my opinion the case request should be declined. [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 12:34, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
:<small>(I've reworded and struck a part of that as it unfairly alleges motive, which is really not what I meant). [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 13:00, 11 April 2019 (UTC)</small>
*Per Jehochman's request and for transparency, I supported the RFA. [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 13:32, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Reyk ===

Decline this. Yes, it was an unsatisfactory discussion. Looking at the talk page of the bureaucrat discussion, those who voted neutral on the RfA (or who didn't vote, such as myself) overwhelmingly thought the opposers on that RfA were hard done by. I suggest the bureaucrats think about that before being so eager to turf out votes ''en masse'' in the future. But I don't see how getting ArbCom involved could possibly help. [[User:Reyk|<b style="color: Maroon;">Reyk</b>]] <sub>[[User talk:Reyk|<b style="color: Blue;">YO!</b>]]</sub> 12:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Leaky ===

The capacity of Bureaucrats to disregard community defined ranges on RfA pass & fail certainly needs to be closely examined and their scope redefined and curtained. This was a bad decision compounded by a confused and slanted 'crat. discussion. But not here.

=== Statement by 28bytes ===
As [[Special:Diff/891696524|the filer noted]] in the talk page of the bureaucrat discussion, the wording that describes how bureaucrats close RfAs has been in place [[Special:Diff/697363992|since 2015:]] "''in general'', RfAs that finish between 65–75% support are subject to the discretion of bureaucrats." That description accurately describes current practice, and in turn bureaucrats have been following that guidance since then.

I recused from that particular 'crat chat, but had I participated, I'm pretty confident that I would have came to the same conclusion as to whether there was consensus to promote regardless of whether the raw percentage was 63.7%, 64.1%, 65.2%, or 66.8%, assuming that the underlying arguments made by the supporters and opposers were the same. If the community wants us to hew rigidly to an arbitrary percentage rather than use our judgment to determine consensus, we will of course abide by that, but that should be done (as Xeno and others have suggested) via an RfC rather than an arbitration case. [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 12:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Sideways713 ===

There's a serious lack of transparency around how RexxS's RfA ended up in a bureaucrat chat in the first place; the last RfA with a similar support percentage, Philafrenzy's, was closed as "no consensus" without a bureaucrat chat. And some of the bureaucrats supporting promotion openly discarded oppose !votes that were fully grounded in facts and policy, which isn't a good look. But the correct remedy is still probably a new RfC on requests for adminship, not an ArbCom case or any other attempt to relitigate RexxS's RfA in particular. [[User:Sideways713|Sideways713]] ([[User talk:Sideways713|talk]]) 12:48, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

===Statement by Coretheapple===
Decline. I agree with Pudeo's concerns but also agree that there is no role for arbcom here and that perhaps there should be another RfC. We have a broken system that puts admin candidates through a grueling trial while at the same time elevating candidates when there are bona fide civility concerns. We have people throwing around the nonsensical nostrum from sixteen years ago that "it's no big deal." I agree that the process as currently in force reinforces editor cynicism and apathy. But that's the way the cookie crumbles around here. [[User:Coretheapple|Coretheapple]] ([[User talk:Coretheapple|talk]]) 12:49, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

One other point I wished to add that was raised by someone below. It is high time for ''all the so-called April Fool jokes to come to an end.'' They are not funny, and as in this case they can be counterproductive. A statement by arbcom on that subject alone would be a great service to the project. A policy prohibiting such "jokes" even better. [[User:Coretheapple|Coretheapple]] ([[User talk:Coretheapple|talk]]) 19:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Pawnkingthree ===
I supported the RfA, but this should be declined as the filer seems to have overlooked the words "generally" and "almost all." Maxim was not acting outside of the policy. Crat chats on close RfAs are about all the bureaucrats have left to do, let's not have Arb Com interfere in this.-- [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 13:06, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by EdChem ===
As the filer notes, Maxim opened the 'crat chat. The filer omits to mention that of the 11 'crats expressing a view on the RfA, none suggested the 'crat chat was unnecessary or inappropriate. Several other 'crats recused or stated that they were unavailable to participate. None of them suggested that the 'crat chat was unnecessary or inappropriate. By the filer's logic, all of these have failed in their duties if any of them has. Consequently, I suggest two options:

*'''Option 1''': ArbCom should remove the 'crat flag from all current 'crats. There being no facts in dispute, this should be done by motion. This would leave en.WP without any 'crats, so as a simple exercise in IAR, ArbCom should appoint {{u|Bishzilla}} as 'crat-overlord-for-life in their place.
*'''Option 2''': ArbCom should decline this case and the filer should be <s>trouted</s> [[WP:TROUT|blue whaled]].

Here's hoping for the benevolent overlordship of a wise dinosaur. [[User:EdChem|EdChem]] ([[User talk:EdChem|talk]]) 13:08, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

'''Follow up...''' on the (quite reasonable) requests for transparency, I declare that I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/RexxS&diff=prev&oldid=891519068 supported RexxS' candidature] after pondering it for several days, and I also expressed a hope that a 'crat chat would occur. I record my gratitude to the 'crat group as a whole as I think that they collectively carried out their duties in a thoroughly responsible and professional way. Several 'crats recused from the discussion due to a conflict of interest. I think it was 11 'crats who took the time to review the RfA, evaluate consensus, and put forward their conclusions supported by a discussion of their reasoning. Some evaluations were more persuasive than others, and I think we all should respect their efforts, even when their conclusion is one with which we disagree. As many others have said, the process of evaluating consensus is not suited to automation and there will always be cases where reasonable people can disagree.

I agree strongly with the Arbitrators who have noted that they have the authority to intervene in a situation like this, but to do so would need a reason other than disagreeing with the conclusion reached. Without evidence-supported arguments being put forward of an abuse of discretion or of policy-violating actions on the part of the 'crats, I don't see a basis for a case here. Further, as I noted above (in a way that I felt was humourous), the logical consequence of the 'crat chat itself being an abuse of process is to find fault with all the 'crats who commented (even to recuse) without noting that the chat itself was not permitted under policy and their discretion in determining consensus in RfA procedures. The case, as framed, is not about whether RexxS should be desysopped to remedy an error in evaluating consensus. Rather, it is framed as an allegation of deliberate misconduct in using a process that was not available in the circumstances &ndash; and the consequent implication is a failure to follow the procedures that policy mandates and thus the removal of the 'crat flag from something like 15 of our 'crats is being contemplated. This would be a perverse outcome, and to take a case contemplating it would need a strong evidentiary basis, which is lacking in this case request.

One small concern, however, with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=891994109&oldid=891993790 these comments] from Arbitrator {{u|Joe Roe}}, made "from a grumpy soapbox." I am concerned that these comments indicate a bias against RexxS (or at least give rise to concerns of an appearance of bias) in the (hopefully unlikely) event of his being the subject of a case request. You have clearly shown that you do not believe he should have been granted the tools, that RexxS has been given favourable treatment, and that he is an example of what you describe as a "hostile culture [that] is stifling the project." Would you really be truly impartial, and if so would you be seen as impartial, after making such comments? As far as I can see, you are the only Arbitrator to have commented on a way that reflects adversely on RexxS and I think that is problematic. [[User:EdChem|EdChem]] ([[User talk:EdChem|talk]]) 02:09, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
:<small>Responded on [[User talk:EdChem#Bias against RexxS|EdChem's talk page]]. &ndash;&#8239;[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 06:32, 12 April 2019 (UTC)</small>

=== Statement by Jehochman ===

I did not vote in this one. Would the others commenting above consider stating whether you voted and how? It would make this discussion more transparent.

I count 64% support, 36% oppose. Bureaucrats are entitled to give variable weight or no weight to votes that have good or bad reasoning associated with them. One of the votes, for example was "Oppose - don't like the guy," with no reason stated why. I saw a fair number of Enemies of Bishonen turn up to deliver payback. Bureaucrats are smart enough to discount this type of vote manipulation. When voting at RFA, please focus on the candidate, not the nominator, and provide reasons for your vote if you want it to count fully.

For the above reasons, decline. There was no abuse by the bureaucrats; quite the opposite. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 13:13, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

: {{ping|RexxS}} - Congratulations. You will soon receive your admin T-shirt with bullseyes printed on both the front and the back. Remember, "Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 13:37, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by [[User:QEDK|QEDK]] ===
I expect ArbCom to sensibly decline this as this is not under their mandate — the committee has a history of not accepting cases when it is under their purview as well, so this should be a cakewalk. The minorly POINTy comment aside, if the filer is particularly distressed with the outcome, they should propose an RfC which sets rigid, %-based restrictions on RfC, and the community can decide on erasing the 'crats subjectivity in the process. --<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',Geneva,sans-serif">[[User:QEDK|qedk]] ([[User talk:QEDK|t]] <span style="color:#fac">桜</span> [[Special:Contributions/QEDK|c]])</span> 13:21, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Yngvadottir ===
Please accept this case. There was flamboyant supervoting on the part of several bureaucrats, which is the opposite of what they are selected to do, with no response to reasoned arguments on the crat chat talk page. As I said there, far from avoiding establishing a precedent, overriding the outcome of this RfA to appoint RexxS sets a very bad precedent. [[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 13:24, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Sir Joseph ===
I agree with Yngvadottir. I was surprised to read the page and note how several of the 'crats were discounting many of the oppose votes or just saying that many of the oppose votes were simply for one reason, ie civil, and those can be discounted because that was a long time ago, and therefore we now have a consensus to promote. What we ended up seeing was not that 'crats were interpreting the votes, but that they were supervoting and they ended up voting themselves for the RFA, not just counting the ballots, so to speak. [[User:Sir Joseph|Sir Joseph]] <sup>[[User_talk:Sir Joseph|<span style="color: Green;">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 13:29, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Objective3000 ===
Decline. 7 to 4 really isn't a close decision. And if a 'crat can't IAR, who can? [[User:Objective3000|O3000]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 13:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Nick ===

Decline is the correct outcome, but a few wise words from the Arbitration Committee wouldn't go amiss here - I'd suggest the committee reminds the community that when taking part in a discussion such as an RfA, they should ensure their true feelings about an issue are accessible to those tasked with judging consensus, even if they wish to make such comments in a flippant and comedic fashion. I supported the RfA, so can't truly consider the behaviour of the bureaucrats in an impartial manner, but from my perspective, they did an excellent job in the difficult circumstances surrounding the horseshitfest that is April Fools Day on Wikipedia. I would suggest going forward, the community agrees that RfA should be exempt from the usual April Fools Day shit that goes on elsewhere (I'd prefer the entire project to outlaw the fuckwittery that goes on around 1 April, but I doubt that would ever be agreed to) as one incremental improvement to ensure we don't have a repeat of this type of incident next year, and that bureaucrats be urged to involve themselves earlier in RfAs which may not initially be conventional/orthodox in tone, nomination or discussion, so that editors here can revise their tone and commentary appropriately. [[User:Nick|Nick]] ([[User talk:Nick|talk]]) 13:40, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

===Statement by [[User:RhinosF1]]===
Please decline this case. The crats made what was an appropriate call and reached a clear agreement among them which was based on their thoughts regarding the points raised. Maxim was right to open a Crat Chat given the situation and confusion regarding [[WP:FOOLS|April fools Day]].

If anything is discussed, it should be regarding the appropriateness of this case and any case should invlove all crats.
: [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]]<sup>[[User talk:RhinosF1|(chat)]]</sup><small><sub>[[User:RhinosF1/StatusMonitor|(status)]][[Special:Contributions/RhinosF1|(contribs)]]</sub></small> 13:42, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

===Statement by Calidum ===
The committee should accept this case, seeing that the community at-large has no ability to remove bureaucrats. Because of this, I fail to see how this falls outside arbcom's scope. (I would add, as someone who opposed the RFA, I don't believe the ultimate result of the RFA should be undone. The actions of the 'crats should be the sole focus of this case.) '''<span style="border: 1px #8C001A solid;background:#8C001A">[[User:Calidum|<span style="color: #FFFDD0;">Calidum</span>]]</span>''' 13:49, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
====Recusal request====
{{ping|Worm That Turned}} Because you participated in the RFA (you rightfully recused yourself from thr 'crat chat because of this), I respectfully request you recuse yourself here. '''<span style="border: 1px #8C001A solid;background:#8C001A">[[User:Calidum|<span style="color: #FFFDD0;">Calidum</span>]]</span>''' 13:55, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by WBG ===
Outside of ARBPOL; they can't dictate bureaucrats on how to close RfBs nor can carve out new policy (set numerical percentages et al) for the purpose. [[User:Winged Blades of Godric|<span style="color: red">&#x222F;</span><span style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:#070">WBG</b></span>]][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric|<sup><span style="color:#00F">converse</span></sup>]] 14:02, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

===Statement by Crazynas===

As someone who opposed the original RfA (and subsequently presented arguments contra finding consensus in the chat) I believe this should be declined. It appears that A) all parties acted in good faith and B) they acted within their remit. I suppose this is technically your prerogative as the flag has been granted and you are the sole means to revoke it (which makes it a bit ironic considering who is named in the case request). However, consensus is not a number. Unless there is evidence of subterfuge or collusion regarding the decision to promote, this does not appear to be an actionable request. We should probably clarify some things with a fresh RfC, however. [[User: Crazynas|Crazynas]]<sup> [[User_talk:Crazynas|t]]</sup> 14:04, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Avraham ===
Full disclosure, I serve as a bureaucrat and was party to the discussion under discussion. I believe this is outside ArbCom's remit for the reasons explained above. The community has been clear that consensus is not a vote and that, when necessary, bureaucrats are the ones tasked and trusted to determine if consensus exists based on the strengths of the arguments and claims in the RfX discussion. That is what happened here. To change the RfX process is doable, but not via fiat from ArbCom. To specifically address a comment made by {{u|Sideways713}} above, it is the closing bureaucrat who decides whether consensus clear exists, clearly does not exist, or needs further discussion. What is clear to one bureaucrat may be less so to another. Therefore, Maxim opening this chat where others with "better" percentages were not sent to chat is not an issue of transparency but humanity. Maybe if Wizardman got there first this would have closed no consensus right away. That is endemic to having living, breathing, thinking bureaucrats. Again, if sufficient members of EnWiki feel that the process in place for the past 15 years does not scale with Wikipedia and is archaic, we have processes to address that--specifically RfCs. Thank you. -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] ([[User talk:Avraham|talk]]) 14:32, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Alanscottwalker}} It is rare that opinions are actually struck. However, opinions do need to be weighed ("strength of rationales presented"). That, by very definition, is dependant on the observing bureaucrat and will differ for each bureaucrat. If we could algorithmically legislate a "numeric strength of argument" we wouldn't need bureaucrats. Thanks. -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] ([[User talk:Avraham|talk]]) 15:12, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Alanscottwalker}} Au contraire. I think we were rather clear in explaining how we came to our decisions. We are not supposed to "weigh things alike" any more than participants in an RfX discussion should be unanimous. We would never say no one should ever oppose or support because we want all editors to "weigh things alike". You have been heavily focused on "discarding" votes and how we would need agreement on that. I think you are misunderstanding the cratchat process. We weren't discarding opinions (which may be warranted for policy violation issues such as discarding opinions from banned editors, sockpuppets, or multiple entries). Rather, we were gauging overall strength of arguments In that, bureaucrats too may have differing opinions as to how strong various arguments (individual or collective) are in the scope of determining consensus. The very having of different opinions helps ensure that we review the discussions as completely as possible and benefit from others' wisdom. -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] ([[User talk:Avraham|talk]]) 16:43, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Alanscottwalker}} I guess I am not explaining myself clearly. The process is not necessarily a mechanical vote-by-vote assignation of yeah/nay. It is not necessarily even a mechanical process of applying specific multipliers to opinions and then calculating a weighted average. There is a significant component of a holistic approach. The arguments may be taken as a whole as well as individually. Consensus is not mathematically defined. There is an element of [[fuzzy logic]] involved. We explain our rationales as clearly as possible to each other and then we each make a decision based on our reading of the RfX augmented by our fellow bureaucrat readings on the chat page and participant statements on the chat talk page. Some people may not approach this opinion-by-opinion just like some participants in the original RfX make their decision based on their holistic view of the candidate, even if they cannot articulate the precise individual components which assemble into the final intuition. So we talk, we reason, we respond, and at the end of the process, we may agree or disagree exactly like the underlying discussion which called us together. However, we aren't opining on the candidate's appropriateness but on the consensus of the discussion, if it exists. I apologize for not being able to articulate this more clearly. -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] ([[User talk:Avraham|talk]]) 17:24, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Alanscottwalker}} We explicitly agree we are trying to determine the presence or absence of consensus in the underlying discussion. We may disagree on '''how''' we come to our decisions and '''what''' that decision is. There has never been a need for bureaucrat unanimity, nor should there be. Just like the participants in the underlying discission explicitly agree they are trying to determine whether or not the candidate should be trusted with access to the administrative toolkit. They may disagree on '''how''' they come to that decisions and '''what''' that decision is. There has never been a need for participant unanimity, nor should there be. Alan, I think that your well-founded concerns are better handled in either 1) an RfC on revising bureaucratic functions as relates to RfX's, 2) an RfC on revising the RfX process, 3) running for RfB yourself so that you may take a more active role in these decsisions, or 4) any combination thereof. We can always use more bureaucrats who are passionate about making EnWiki a better project, although the RfB process [[Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/Avraham|can]] [[Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/Avraham 2|be]] [[Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/Avraham 3|cumbersome]] [[file:face-sad.svg|28px]]. Thank you. -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] ([[User talk:Avraham|talk]]) 17:48, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Ad Orientem ===
'''Decline''' Although cutting it a bit fine, I believe this was within the competency of a crat chat. It's time to move on. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:10, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
:Disclaimer: I was involved in the RfA as an Oppose. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by WJBscribe ===
Arbitrators who participated in the RfA ought to recuse from considering this case. It gives a clear appearance of bias. It is extremely problematic to have arbitrators considering a case that potential includes how their own personal participation in an RfA was later evaluated. I do not agree that there is "enough distance" simply because this request is about the bureaucrat discussion rather than the RfA itself. It is a shame that the proportion of active arbitrators who participated makes it unrealistic for such recusals to happen in relation to this particular request. This may be something that arbitrators need to reflect on more carefully in future when deciding whether or not to participate in RfA discussions. <strong style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:WJBscribe|WJBscribe]] [[User talk:WJBscribe|(talk)]]</strong> 16:30, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Biblioworm ===
I see the filing party has mentioned me, since I am responsible for the RfC that brought about the new discretionary range. Therefore, I feel that I should comment.

First of all, what in the world? Seriously? This is the most utterly ridiculous case request I've ever seen. In any normal real-life election, 64% would be considered a unquestionable landslide victory and overwhelming mandate for any candidate. But here, such a result is a "knife's edge" decision and is now before the Wikipedia Supreme Court.

So let me get this straight—36% of voters, obsessing over 0.01% of an editor's contributions, represent the true "will of the community." And the other 64%, considering the editor's overall body of work, mean nothing? How is that rational in any sense? The fact that we're even having this discussion is a testament to what a detached and unrealistic bubble this project is in. Creating such drama over a 0.9% deviation from the letter of the law is the very definition of [[Wikipedia:Wikilawyering|wikilawyering]] (one shortcut is actually [[WP:LETTER]]).

The filing statement demonstrates a gross misapplication of policy. What really needs to be affirmed here is [[WP:IAR]]. Everything on this project only applies "in general." The [[WP:CRAT|bureaucrat policy]] broadly says to consider {{tq|rules of thumb and your best judgement}} when closing RfXs. The [[WP:POLICY|policy on policies]] says that Wikipedia {{tq|does not employ hard-and-fast rules}}. It is, in fact, a policy that we are [[WP:BURO|not a bureaucracy]] and {{tq|not governed by statute}}.

I don't think any further statement is necessary. '''Reject this case.'''

[[User_talk:Biblioworm#top|Biblio]] ([[User_talk:Biblioworm#top|talk]]) 17:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

===SchroCat===
I think this should probably be declined too: there is little point continuing along this vein, and I think it may fall outside of ArbCom's remit too (or maybe not - I don't know the inner workings any more than the next editor). None of this reflects brilliantly on Rex, who has done well to keep out of the fray, and who is not responsible for any of the kerfuffle here or at the 'crat chat. I hope he puts the mop to good use, and I wish him luck in his endeavours.

However, given the 'crats are now open to manipulating their mandate to drive the boundaries wider than was the mandate given to them, is there any real point in having RfA at all? Just let the 'crats select who they want to appoint and we can ignore anyone whose opinion we don't like - as that is pretty much what has happened here. The fact that there are some heavyweight, long-term editors in the oppose section who have raised valid concerns, only to have those concerned devalued or snubbed shows just what a mess RfA is. A process in which opposers are regularly bludgeoned by supporters for holding valid opinions (and yet supporters can get away with adding "<nowiki># - ~~~~</nowiki>" to have a fully accepted vote); a process in which false accusations of socking are made against an editor in good standing; a process in which 'crats act out of community given mandate; and a process in which semantic and logical gymnastics have to take place to fix a vote is not a process I want any part of - and it is one that shows the very worst of WP. I suspect the 'bad places' have cracking open the popcorn to point and laugh at this whole set up. Decline this and get back to doing some proper work on the encyclopaedia, but it all leaves such a foul taste in the mouth that it is no wonder people think us a laughing stock. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 18:46, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

:No point in the Arbs recusing on this just because they voted: they do not vote in an Arb capacity, they vote as any other editor <small>(unless they opposed, in which case it's counted by the 'crats as less than a normal editor)</small>. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 18:49, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Rschen7754 ===
Not only is this outside of ArbCom's remit, but this would set a dangerous precedent and put a chilling effect on bureaucrat decisions.

I opposed the RFA, but I think that we should all wish RexxS well and help encourage him to be a good administrator. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 18:15, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Levivich ===
If 2 out of 3 !voters want an editor to be an admin, they should be an admin, and more than 1.9 out of 3 !voters wanted Rexx to be an admin (164/256). If 2 out of 3 'crats see consensus, then there's consensus, and more than 1.9 out of 3 'crats saw consensus (7/11). If arbitrators unanimously decline, then it doesn't matter if anyone recuses. {{tq|Wikipedia has no firm rules&nbsp;... principles and spirit matter more than literal wording&nbsp;...}} ([[WP:5P5]]) <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]&thinsp;<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 18:22, 11 April 2019 (UTC) (supported RfA)

=== Statement by Jayron32 ===

The controlling policy here should be [[WP:CONSENSUS]], and several supplementary pages thereof, which establishes that consensus is assessed not by vote counting ''at any level'', but rather by assessing the strengths of arguments. Anyone assessing consensus is free to discard comments that are illogical, not based in policy or guidelines, or otherwise aren't useful in assessing consensus. Without knowing which comments the bureaucrats took the discretion to discount, we can't say they ''didn't'' find that the vote was 65% in favor. Even so, the notion that there's a hard limit, which in this case was exceeded by less than 1% I might add, seems pedantic in the extreme, and I urge the committee to reject this as borderline vexatious. There's nothing wrong here with what happened, bureaucrats acted fully within their remit in assessing consensus. It's not like they promoted someone which had 20% of the vote. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 18:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
=== Statement by Pppery ===
I originally suggested arbitration in the crat chat on the ground that one of Puedo's suggested actions, overturning the result of the chat (and thus the RfA) would entail removing the administrator bit from RexxS, something that could only be done by the arbitration comittee. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">survives</sub>]] 18:58, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
: Thus, I believe that this case should be accepted on the grounds that Pudeo is effectively requesting a desysop, and it is in the scope of the arbitration comittee to handle requests for desysop. (Disclosure: I'm very heavily involved in this matter). [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">survives</sub>]] 19:04, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by WereSpielChequers ===
Disclosure - I was a Supporter and have met RexxS many times through WMUK. If I'd been a Crat and not recused through voting and knowing the candidate, I rather think I'd have been in the noconsensus camp in the Crat chat. But this RFC isn't about whether the Crats made the right choice - it was about whether they were entitled to make this choice.

There are several issues that come up in this Crat closure. Probably the least contentious is that Crats are not strictly bound by the 65-75% range. Someone could in theory file an RFC to change policy to restrict the crats to only having discretion in the 65-75% range, if so I hope they would at least take the precaution of putting in some exceptions such when a bunch of votes one side or the other needed to be struck, or something happened in the last 24 hours that saw the Support percentage fall from 96% to 76%.

More contentious is the idea that longstanding members of the community should be given greater discretion at RFA. Again this is a possible matter for an RFC, not for Arbcom.

Thirdly there is the issue of what weight closing crats should give reassurances by the candidate in an RFA. Historically this has been more common in things like defaulting to minor edits and fixing signatures. On this occasion we have a civility issue where some people accepted the candidates reassurances and some wanted at least a few months before another RFA.

None of these are issues for Arbcom, so I assume you will decline this. All these issues will I expect come up in the next few RFBs. If people want to change the way the Crats rule on any of them then an RFC would be in order. But I'd suggest waiting a few months, both for dust to settle, and for a gap so that the discussion is about the principle, not the principal.

=== Statement by Nihlus ===
Is this one of the ''worst'' decisions the bureaucrats have made in recent memory? Yes, absolutely. Is it something that the Arbitration Committee has authority over? No. The community has the chance the deal with this, and we should make sure that certain bureaucrats don't continue this trend of blatant supervoting or discounting votes they happen to disagree with. The committee should decline this, but I encourage Pudeo to seek out other avenues to fix this problem. [[User:Nihlus|<span style="padding:2px 2px;font-variant:small-caps;color:#000;letter-spacing:-0.5px">'''Nihlus'''</span>]] 21:48, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Bilorv ===
I've never commented on an Arbcom request or case before but I want to register how shocked I am at such a ludicrous case. [[WP:CON|Consensus]] is not voting. It doesn't matter if an RfA is at 64% or 65%, because we're [[WP:BURO|not a bureaucracy]] (ironically enough for the crats). I opposed the RfA but I respect the crats' judgement and it's not just within their remit but ''their most important job'' to assess consensus rather than tallying up a percentage. (If the opposite outcome had happened, they'd be accused of ignoring consensus in favour of vote tallies; with this outcome they're accused of supervoting. There's no winning.) And to want arbitration against Maxim for opening a ''discussion'', when the subsequent crat chat made it very clear that the closure was not a clear cut case, is particularly egregious. I urge arbitrators to deny this request as quickly as possible so as to minimise the drama this will cause to the RfA candidate and all those involved. I urge others to move on and accept this result. <span class="nowrap">— '''[[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]]''' (he/him) <sub>[[User talk:Bilorv|('''talk''')]]</sub></span> 21:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Pythoncoder ===
{{ec|2}} (COI disclosure: voted support) This is not worth an arbitration case. It completely made sense to open a crat chat even at 64%, as [[WP:NOTBURO|Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy]] [[WP:IAR|governed by hard-and-fast rules]], plus striking the disruptive or rationale-less opposes gets the RfA to 65.8%. The close of the crat chat and thus the RfA made perfect sense too, with a medium-but-good-for-Wikipedia margin of crat supporting a close as successful. Please decline. —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 22:01, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Dane ===
I agree with most of the statements here stating that this should be declined. Although it is disappointing that the bureaucrats overrode what is generally seen as a standard practice (the 65%-75% range), this should go to an RfC rather than ArbCom - and the question should clearly set the upper and lower limits as hard limits if that is the feeling of the community. The fact that we have situations where candidates are "autofailed" under 65% and then this RfA was given a chat/pass is a disservice to those who ran and failed near 65% and only a proper RfC can resolve those issues. -- <b>[[User:Dane|<span style="color:blue">Dane</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Dane|<b style="color: #00AC1D;">talk</b>]]</sup> </b> 22:45, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Sunrise ===

The outcome here is obvious at this point, but I want to emphasize that a lot of people are taking the 65% threshold ''far'' too seriously, even among a couple of those calling for a decline. Among other things, every measurement of this form is subject to a [[margin of error]], and the result is that 64% and 65% are ''not functionally different'' from each other. This can even be demonstrated mathematically (e.g. for those who like [[p-value]]s), but either way the point remains. No 1% difference will ever be more important than the actual merits of the case.

Even disregarding the central point that consensus isn't a vote, enforcing a hard threshold makes borderline outcomes highly contingent on irrelevant things like whether or not there was a flu outbreak in a city where several RfA watchers live, or a thousand other reasons that some people may or may not have participated. Or, to take things to absurdity, it requires you to think that there's a meaningful difference between 64.99% and 65.01%, but not between 65.01% and 65.03%. Thresholds are rules of thumb adopted for practical purposes, not laws to be applied mechanically regardless of the circumstances. [[User:Sunrise|''<b style="color:#F60;font-family:Times New Roman">Sunrise</b>'']] <i style="font-size:11px">([[User talk:Sunrise|talk]])</i> 03:39, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by DGG ===
There has to be some way of reviewing whether Bureaucrats' action conform to policy. For lack of any other manner of doing so, it becomes a dispute that cannot be settled by existing means, and thus falls within the residual jurisdiction of arb com. (I think that it is clear that the community voted to not extend the discretionary range lower than 65%, and that therefore their decision was in violation of policy. They have authorization by the community to use their judgement, but only down to 65%. For those of the arbs who think its outside their jurisdiction, I want to postulate a situation where they would have voted to promote at 45%. Would it still have been outside arb com jurisdiction? '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:58, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Lepricavark ===
I opposed the RfA and was among those who registered concerns regarding the crat chat while it was still ongoing. It's quite lovely that a sizable number of the editors here seem unbothered that numerous oppose !voters have been effectively disenfranchised because they chose to oppose over the nature of the nomination. The problem isn't the difference between 64% and 65%; the problem is the lack of respect given to perfectly valid, good-faith oppose rationales. I agree with SchroCat. Why even bother with RfA if we're going to pick and choose which !votes count in an arbitrary manner? Perhaps this isn't the right venue. Realistically, there isn't any venue that is going to make this right. There will be no accountability and everyone will move on in a few days. [[User:Lepricavark|Lepricavark]] ([[User talk:Lepricavark|talk]]) 04:35, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

===Statement by Robert McClenon===
The community has made a bad decision, by entrusting the tools to an editor who can be trusted to use the tools honestly but cannot be trusted to use the tools to maintain harmony in the community. The bureaucrats have reasonably ratified the community's decision. The community is likely to come to regret their action, but it is not up to the arbitrators to review the action of the community. Requesting the arbitrators to reverse a bad decision by the community is vexatious. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 11:00, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
::I agree with [[User:Pudeo]] that something should be done, but not this ArbCom case. It has far too long been true that civility is a core principle of Wikipedia except for alite users, some of whom see themselves and are seen by others as petty gods, exempt from civility. I think that too many "ordinary" users look up to and admire uncivil elite users who are "excellent content creators", probably because they would also like to become elite users who don't need to watch their language. The community has made a bad decision, and the bureaucrats have merely confirmed that civility is not important for elite users. It isn't up to ArbCom to change that. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 21:32, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Pldx1 ===

The rule was: ignore all rules. The current RfA was evaluated in strict accordance to this rule. But this compliance to the rule
implies a lack of compliance to the other rules. Building a consensus is arriving to a decision where the process is recognized as satisfactory
by quite everyone. Transforming 164 -- 92 (below the threshold) by 164*1.0 -- 92*<math>\mu</math> (above the threshold) by a process that amounts to attribute a confidence factor
(1.0 for the good ones, <math>\mu<1.0</math> for the others) is not satisfactory in terms of consensus building. Opening a case would be saying there is a rule "be satisfactory". Who has ever heard of such a rule ? [[User:Pldx1|Pldx1]] ([[User talk:Pldx1|talk]]) 18:11, 12 April 2019 (UTC)<br> <small>using 196 instead of 164 was not voluntary. [[User:Pldx1|Pldx1]] ([[User talk:Pldx1|talk]]) 18:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)</small>

=== Statement by Gamaliel ===

While I am enjoying the ridiculous amounts of butthurt on display from the usual suspects, in all seriousness: if you don't like having bureaucrats who can act within their discretion in cases like this, campaign to change the policy. Don't demand one group of apparatchiks use their discretion to override another group of apparatchiks because they used their own discretion. Also, deploy the blue whales. [[User:Gamaliel|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">Gamaliel</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">talk</span>]])</small> 20:34, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by User:SmokeyJoe ===

Layered absurdities. Consensus is not about counting numbers. The bureaucrats have done an exemplary job. If the new admin breaks the encyclopedia, I understand that there are ways to fix it. —[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 22:19, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by {non party} ===
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.
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=== RexxS RfA bureaucrat chat: Clerk notes ===
:''This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).''
* '''Recuse''' – <span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">[[User_talk:Bradv|brad''v'']]</span>[[Special:Contributions/Bradv|<span style="color:red">🍁</span>]] 13:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
* {{take note|Clerk note}} the majority of the Arbitration Committee has voted to decline this case, this case will be archived once the 48 hour mark has lapsed. --[[User:Cameron11598|Cameron<sub><small>11598</small></sub>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Cameron11598|(Talk)]] </sup> 01:57, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

=== RexxS RfA bureaucrat chat: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/10/0> ===
{{anchor|1=RexxS RfA bureaucrat chat: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter}}<small>Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)</small>
*'''Decline''' as written. RfA is about consensus, not numerical count. This one was unusual in that some early votes could be dismissed due to April Fools Day. Even if they didn't, the 'crats are specifically tasked with evaluating consensus and if Maxim felt that some discussion should happen on judging that consensus, then that falls well within his discretion. The very fact that there is no unanimity on the 'crat chat implies that it was the correct decision. I absolutely disagree with the idea of ArbCom supervoting over the 'crats in this matter. [[User:Worm That Turned|<b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">''Worm''</b>]]<sup>TT</sup>([[User talk:Worm That Turned|<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>]]) 11:48, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
*:{{Ping|Calidum}} I think Joe has it right. We'd only have 4 arbs left if we were recusing based on the RfA votes, so we have to be a bit more pragmatic here. Participation in the crat chat would effectively be influencing the outcome, and so I should not be involved in that. However, when the question comes to Arbcom, trying to overturn the decision of multiple crats the question becomes one of process not the individual case, and therefore I believe I (and other arbs) are not influencing the decision - nor should out comments on the RfA preclude us from forming an opinion on the validity of a case. As such, I decline to recuse. [[User:Worm That Turned|<b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">''Worm''</b>]]<sup>TT</sup>([[User talk:Worm That Turned|<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>]]) 15:20, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' ArbCom should not be telling the 'crats how to handle a close RFA vote. As WTT just said, the fact that there is a difference in opinion within the 'crats shows this was the right decision to discuss the matter. [[User:RickinBaltimore|RickinBaltimore]] ([[User talk:RickinBaltimore|talk]]) 11:53, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Decline'''. This is not within the scope of ArbCom. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 13:00, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Decline''', per WTT. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 13:31, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
*I feel strongly that this was a poor close by the crats, essentially supervoting away valid opposes because they were not convinced by them, while, as usual, being far laxer with the supports. It ''does'' look like excessive leniency for an "establishment" RfA candidate, and it is particularly grating that civility concerns were dismissed given [[Wikipedia:Community health initiative|mounting evidence]] that a hostile culture is stifling the project. But, I'm not a crat, and they are appointed specifically for their experience in closing complex discussions. They were acting perfectly within their remit and it's not our place to overrule their decision – so '''decline'''. &ndash;&#8239;[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 14:07, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
*:There is doubt expressed in the comments above about whether crat actions can be reviewed by ArbCom at all. I think they quite clearly are in our remit: [[Wikipedia:Bureaucrats]] states that {{tq|"actions by bureaucrats are also bound by the policy on use of administrative rights"}}. This means that, like admin actions, crat actions are a) supposed to align with community consensus and b) may be taken to ArbCom, as a last resort, if they fail in that. And policy-lawyering aside, there has to be some oversight of crat actions, and if not by us, then who? The issue here is not whether we can review crat actions, but whether there is anything to review with this particular crat action. &ndash;&#8239;[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 14:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Calidum}} 5 of the 9 active arbitrators participated in the RfA, so if we all recused we'd be in a tricky spot. But since this request is about the crat chat rather than the RfA itself, I think we have enough distance. &ndash;&#8239;[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 14:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
* '''Decline''' per Worm. Not going to set some precedent of running here if a discretionary call ends the way someone doesn't like. <span style="color: #9932CC">[[:User:KrakatoaKatie|Katie]]<sup>[[User talk:KrakatoaKatie|talk]]</sup></span> 16:39, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Decline'''. Like WTT, I participated in the RfA - however, I'm comfortable participating in this request because I'm very confident I'd have the same opinion if circumstances were different. While actions of crats, broadly speaking, are no less under arbcom's scope than any other community process, we are not the crat discretion appeals board. They made a decision within their remit and according to their procedures; there's no case to answer here. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] ([[User talk:Opabinia regalis|talk]]) 16:59, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
* This issue does not need referring to arbitration, which in most matters is to be used as a last resort. In fact, I cannot see that even a first resort process is needing used: excepting the filing party, the community appears to be content that processes worked as designed in this case. The RexxS RfA outcome rather puts a different spin on the recent discussions about "Do we need bureaucrats?", but I'm now going off-topic: '''Decline'''. <span class="nowrap">[[User:AGK|<span style="color:black;">'''AGK'''</span>]][[User talk:AGK#top|<span style="color: black;">&nbsp;&#9632;</span>]]</span> 17:07, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' As someone who participated in the 2015 RFC and provided the second support vote for lowing the discretionary range, I believe the bureaucrats acted in accordance with the instructions provided to them by the community. Consensus has ''always'' been the basis for RFA outcomes and bureaucrats are appointed at some of our highest support requirements on Wikipedia (greater than that of the arbitration committee; which is one of the lowest). In addition, the community has made it abundantly clear that actively clerking and striking votes is not the preferred method when assessing consensus. In most cases, these votes are allowed to remain under the express rationale that the community trusts the bureaucrat team to give these votes their due weight. With the exception of clearly disruptive votes, such as by sock puppets, the least amount of administrative intervention should occur so as not to influence the outcome. It is why bureaucrats rarely intercede during the RFA run and conduct their discussions near the end. The mathematical tally concludes at the end of public voting, but the RFA process has not concluded. The crat chat is part of the RFA process and the tally by no means indicates consensus.
:As an Arbitrator, this is a matter that requires clarification from the wider community. '''[[User:Mkdw|<span style="color:black;text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px white, -4px -4px 15px white">Mkdw</span>]]''' [[User talk:Mkdw|<sup>''<span style="color: #0B0080;text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px white, -4px -4px 15px white">talk</span>''</sup>]] 19:30, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Decline'''. Closing RfAs is up to the bureaucrats, and I think it was a good call on their part to get wide input on the closure amongst themselves. If there is a feeling among the community that RfAs that are even a smidge under 65% support should be automatically considered unsuccessful, come April Fools', hell, or high water, then so be it, but that's something to be decided by an RfC and not by the Arbitration Committee. It would be an overstep for us to revisit the 'crats decision, which I think shows no sign of improper behavior that would justify our involvement. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 03:36, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


== Enigmaman ==
== Enigmaman ==

Revision as of 16:42, 13 April 2019

Requests for arbitration

Enigmaman

Initiated by ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) at 18:06, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Involved parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Statement by Oshwah

It is with deep disappointment and sorrow that I am filing this case request here today. This request for arbitration involves Enigmaman and the issues regarding his use of administrator tools following the comments and findings at the ANI discussion linked above. To summarize: the ANI first began when an editor noticed that their old account they retired and abandoned following a clean start was randomly blocked for three years by Enigmaman on April 8 for an uncivil comment made ten years ago in 2009, which generated responses from the community expressing deep concerns with the nature of the block, why it was applied, and why it was for three years. Enigmaman responded with this comment and tried to close the ANI discussion immediately afterwards, which was reverted and followed by even more concerns from the community regarding Enigmaman and WP:ADMINACCT.

After some investigating and digging by concerned editors involved in the discussion, many other instances regarding Enigmaman and his use of administrative tools have surfaced, generating an expression of deep concerns by the community. Examples include this block with an uninformative summary, this block that was set to the duration of one decade and with a personal attack, personal attacks in block responses, pre-emptive application of page protection, a block where Enigmaman was clearly WP:INVOLVED, personal attacks in deletion summaries, and many more instances of bad blocks, and frequently omitting a reason in the log and a block notification on the user's talk page, as well as inappropriate admin tool use.

Given the input, comments, and responses by participants in the ANI discussion, the number of concerns that were found and listed, and the severity of misconduct, poor judgment, or breach of policy of some of the concerns found - it's very clear that the community's overall trust and confidence regarding Enigmaman and his ability to hold administrator user rights and use them appropriately and within policy has been significantly shaken and no longer exists at the level that it did before the ANI discussion was created. The numerous findings by the community that detail instances of poor judgment, bad summaries and lack of block notices given, and blocks applied that were unnecessary, random, and at times - blatantly against policy and in an abusive manner have left me with no choice: I am filing this request to ask that the Arbitration Committee review Enigmaman and his administrator conduct, use of the tools, and his capacity, ability, and community trust and confidence to be able to continue holding the user rights. As this is the only venue where administrator tools can be removed, I feel that this is a fair request to put Enigmaman under review. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:06, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Enigmaman

I made a bad block yesterday and I lifted it when I was asked by a user to lift it because I saw it was inappropriate. I was not checking Wikipedia from then until a few minutes ago when I logged on for the first time today and saw there's been an ArbCom case opened. I skimmed the diffs provided and except for perhaps one or two of them, nothing was ever said to me at all about them and they happened quite a while ago. If I can do anything to remedy them and there's a specific complaint, I'm happy to address it.

Regarding the Tim Hardaway article, I was protecting several articles which were being hit as the result of a trade and I certainly did not intend to protect it 'extended confirmed indefinitely'. I misclicked and I would have unprotected had it been brought to my attention. We were having a lot of issues that day with users edit-warring over reported NBA trades.

Regarding Audrey Geisel, I restored the non-vandalism edits. I didn't see why we needed a history full of defamation. Out of all the edits in the article history, only a handful were constructive.

Regarding the block that led to this, 1 year is obviously excessive but I believe the user had been warned repeatedly and blocked for this behavior previously. Regarding the previous bad block that was found, that was from over a year ago.

Replying again to the recent block, I lifted the block immediately at the first request I got to lift it. That is the truth. As for closing the thread, I was under the impression a thread can be closed when the matter is settled. I was asked to unblock someone and I did. I thought that settled it. I won't close threads anymore, since apparently I was mistaken. Enigmamsg 19:27, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Boing! said Zebedee (Enigmaman)

My one encounter with Enigmaman was at User talk:Bloger#Yet another warning, where he abused the block tool in a content dispute. He did not respond after I unblocked and after I and several others commented on how bad it was. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:29, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Enigmaman: You asked for specifics, so can you offer any explanation for User talk:Bloger#Yet another warning? Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:49, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Enigmaman: Regarding Audrey Geisel, there's still the question of why you deleted it in the first place (with the summary "this does not need a page"). Under what policy did you have the authority to make that decision? Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:21, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Enigmaman: Another specific. Above you say "I made a bad block yesterday and I lifted it when I was asked by a user to lift it because I saw it was inappropriate", which is good. But can you explain your thinking when you made the block? It's fair enough that you might not have noticed the age of the comment, but what led you think that a one year block is ever appropriate for such a comment, never mind your original 3 year block? Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:28, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Enigmaman: I asked you about a case where you blocked an editor with whom you were in a content dispute. What immediately sprung to my mind when I saw it (and I apologise for using rude words, but I want to accurately record what I thought) was "What the fuck is he thinking?". That's how bad I saw it. It was in 2018, by which time you'd had nine years experience as an admin. You can't just wave that away with "Regarding the previous bad block that was found, that was from over a year ago." I can't demand you answer me, but ArbCom will certainly need a proper answer. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:30, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Ritchie333

Unfortunately, I think a case is required. Oshwah and Boing! have covered some of the more severe problems. I would include using rollback to censure a user he was in a dispute with and deleting a page with a summary "this does not need a page" (though it was partially restored following a complaint). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Contrary to Enigmaman's comment, I gave a stiff warning about using the tools in a content dispute, and the out of process deletion was criticised by several users, as seen in the above diff. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:33, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And this is functionally equivalent to vandalism. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Ad Orientem

Tentatively I support opening this as an arbcom case. However, and in the interest of full disclosure, I sent a private email this morning to Enigmaman. I have within the last 15 minutes or so received a reply and we have been exchanging messages. It is my hope that they will in the very near future make some statement to the community regarding the matter. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:58, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Ivanvector

That's a lot of complaints, and more importantly with respect to WP:ADMINACCT, that's a lot of not responding to complaints. It is a couple months old now, but had I seen this deletion log summary, I would have considered blocking Enigmaman myself. It is inexcusably inappropriate for an administrator (anyone, but especially an admin) to cast aspersions about an editor's mental condition, no matter that they may be a petty vandal.

Note that I have removed the protection from Tim Hardaway Jr., which Enigmaman had set to extended-confirmed edit and move protection indefinitely on 31 January 2019, with a protection log summary of "trade rumors". There had been no disruptive editing justifying protection at the time, and the "rumor" was confirmed with a reliable source 2 hours and 35 minutes later.

Several of the other examples that Oshwah provided ought to be fairly easy to explain, if Enigmaman would bother to respond. For example this "made better" block log entry is likely a sarcastic response to this edit. On the other hand, this edit by an editor who had not edited in a year was met by Enigmaman with a block "for being useless".

Since Enigmaman seems unwilling to offer a reasonable explanation for these actions, a case is required. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Lugnuts

Some additional information. Enigmaman had three RFAs between June 2008 and June 2009 before being granted the admin tools:

Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Beeblebrox

I reviewed the ANI thread and I belive the evidence presented there is more than enough to warrant a case. Not a forgeone conclusion, but a case where the existing evidence and anything further that seems relevant is examined by the committee. I don't find Enigmaman's reassurance at all reassuring, there is a lot of evidence of very poor admin behavior and haphazard tool use of a type that nobody should have to explain to him is wrong. There is maybe not quite as much prior dispute resolution as expected, but I think hat is mitigated by the fact that in many of these cases these were "unknown" users and nobody noticed at the time. In my opinion that makes the case all the more worthy of being accepted. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:07, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by RhinosF1

I can't imagine Oshwah (or anyone for that matter) would want to bring a case to the committee but Enigmaman has shown at both WP:AN/I and in his statements here a failure to meet admin accountability standards and throughout diffs shown by many editors at this case has shown violations of our no personal attacks policy and acted acted in an aggressive and immature manner on many occasions blatantly violating blocking policies. I therefore urge the committee to open a case to review the conduct of Enigmaman and believe given the attitude to desysop him while the case is in progress.

Statement by MarkH21

As an uninvolved non-admin, I have been appalled by the extended abuses of admin tools, lack of accountability, and incivil conduct by Enigmaman after reading the diffs and logs presented both here and in the AN/I discussion. It is inappropriate for an editor, let alone an admin, to conduct themselves here in such a sustained pattern of aggression and abuse of privilege. I absolutely believe that the committee should review Enigmaman's conduct as both an admin and as an editor. — MarkH21 (talk) 21:13, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Money emoji

Doesn't really have to do with the case, but I think User:Baseboy311 should be blocked as a voa, looking through their contributions.💵Money💵emoji💵💸 21:29, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Pythoncoder

Looking at the diffs there is more than enough for a case here. Please accept. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 22:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Barkeep49

My limited experience with this administrator was very frustrating. As noted above following a request for page protection at Audrey Geisel Enigmaman deleted the article. When asked on what policy ground they had deleted the page no answer was given but the page was partially restored. When asked multiple times to explain the partial restore or otherwise help fix they did not do so:link to discussion on happening at that time at RFPP, errors caused by the partial restore,ping to discusson on talk page of article). The only exception in the failure to communicate in this incident, was an explanation for why they did not restore the talk page when restoring the article. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:08, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that ArbCom must be stressful for an editor named in a case but will say that I feel lucky to have observed the changes effected in this edit given that it doesn't follow general discussion norms. In response to the idea there, this method of deletion is effectively oversight. In fact it was how oversight was conducted before the oversight tool existed. I am not a sysop so I cannot see the deleted edits, and once I learned of the issues present in the deleted version from another admin who looked for me, I dropped the issue as an exercise of IAR despite his not being an oversighter. But at no time before now did Eningman communicate his thinking. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:27, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I mixed up my old school revdel and OS which was kindly pointed out to me. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:47, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Paul August

I urge ArbCom to accept this case. There may be mitigating circumstances, but from what I've seen, some sanction is warranted. Paul August 23:59, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Kudpung

I don't often comment at Arbcom but in the interests of my (still) on-going concerns for everything adminship and fairness for admins, although I have never interacted with Enigmaman, I have reviewed all the evidence provided above as well as the three RfAs. I feel there are more than sufficient concerns for Arbcom to take the case. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:47, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Cullen328

Please accept this case. I only read about half the diffs but they were universally troubling. The bizarre approach to length of blocks indicates a capricious attitude. The fact that edit summaries needed to be suppressed by trusted colleagues is a major red flag. Failure to respond promptly and thoroughly to legitimate concerns expressed by other editors is contrary to our community expectation of administrator behavior. This adminstrator must be investigated in greater depth. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:52, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by WaltCip

Although EnigmaMan has provided responses to specific criticisms of his blocks, the overall "big picture" here is, as someone else mentioned above, there is a sustained attitude of imperious aggression and a clear lack of judgment in using the tools here. There also seems to be an overwhelming consensus by Arbcom to accept the case, and I think the ideal thing for EnigmaMan to do here would be to preemptively resign his adminship, since it is clear he no longer has the trust of the community.--WaltCip (talk) 12:20, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Qwirkle

While I am quite sure that this is subconscious, rather than malicious, it seems obvious from the outside that the subject of this straightforward request is being thrown under the bus as a way of turning away from suppurating mess of the request above it. Qwirkle (talk) 16:43, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by EEng

If Enigmaman has common sense and puts the well-being of the community before his own ego, then he'll recognize that he's lost the trust of a significant portion of the community and resign. And if he doesn't, he should be desysopped either for lacking common sense or for not putting the well-being of the community before his own ego. Adminship is supposed to be not a big deal – to get or to give up. EEng 17:13, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Phil Bridger

Enigmaman says "I lifted it when I was asked by a user to lift it because I saw it was inappropriate". This is not the whole truth. He received this message at 23:43 on 8 April, but did not reply to it. The block was only lifted after an ANI case was opened at 17:01 on 10 April. Then, in what I see as one of the most egregious actions in this whole sorry saga, he attempted to close an ANI report against himself. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:29, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Robert McClenon

This case is extremely sad. It reminds me of the two Magioladitis cases, although it doesn't involve bots, and of the recent Fred Bauder case. It appears that a trusted user has simply gone to pieces and can no longer be trusted. As long as only ArbCom can desysop an administrator, ArbCom has an obligation to accept this case, and I urge that ArbCom suspend the admin privileges of Enigmaman while this case is pending. This case is extremely sad but must be taken. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:38, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Awilley

From what I have seen this seems to be another case where a legacy admin drifts so far out of step with our current standards that they legitimately doesn't understand what the problem is and why everybody is so worked up about it. I don't doubt that Enigmaman has good intentions and his 40K edits demonstrate a real commitment to the project, so I hope we can respect that regardless of how things proceed here. ~Awilley (talk) 02:01, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by {Non-party}

Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information

Enigmaman: Clerk notes

This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).

Enigmaman: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <10/0/0>

Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)

  • Accept I will say at the start, I asked in the ANI thread for Enigmaman to explain the reason behind the block of an account that hadn't edited in over a year. They have not responded, and the amount of evidence that Oshwah has posted gives pause to review this case. RickinBaltimore (talk) 18:10, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Accept There is enough information and evidence presented here that the situation warrants a full review in a case. Mkdw talk 19:09, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Accept. ~ Rob13Talk 20:15, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Accept under WP:ADMIN § ArbCom review to examine Enigmaman's conduct. AGK ■ 20:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Accept My threshold for reviewing admin conduct is well documented, and this case vaults over it. Katietalk 22:17, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Accept. Absolutely requires a full review. ♠PMC(talk) 02:13, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Accept. It's quite clear we need a case to examine the possible issues here. GorillaWarfare (talk) 03:43, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Accept, clear cause for concern. – Joe (talk) 05:18, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Accept per above. You know, I'm usually pretty skeptical of quick-moving case requests with a lot of ANI hubbub, so I was surprised how clear I find this one. Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:24, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Accept. There are some errors of judgement, and confidence in this admin is now very low, so a case is appropriate. I'm not seeing Enigmaman as a malicious person, but the blocks and comments/edit summaries linked above are concerning, such that a fraction of such diffs being shown in an RfA (particularly the suppressed edit summary) would be enough to prevent Enigmaman becoming an admin in the first place. There are suggestions above that Enigmaman should resign the tools, and I understand that thinking, though it is Enigmaman's decision as to if they feel they can marshal enough explanation and defence for their actions, and if they feel they may learn something about why some of their actions have been questioned, to warrant the stress of going through a case. That a case is accepted does not automatically mean the Committee feel Enigmaman's judgement is so poor that a desysopping will occur - the outcome of the case depends a lot on Enigmaman's rationales for what they have done; though I do caution Enigmaman that their rationales need to be very convincing. SilkTork (talk) 00:53, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]