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* Merge with [[Template:Infobox Chinese]]
** {{tfdl|Infobox name module|2017 April 7|section=Template:Infobox name module}}
*:1.5 years later I've taken another look. The merger itself doesn't look toooo bad but I'm really not a fan of adding "Infobox Chinese" to tons of articles not related to China in the slightest. The [[Template_talk:Infobox_Chinese#Requested_move_23_September_2019|2019 RM]] didn't go too well though and it's perhaps best to try to at least partially take a look at the (imo not so relevant) things cited as issues in the RM. These are adding support for some other major languages which is currently partially or completely missing (Arabic, Hebrew, Urdu if I'm not mistaken, Greek and probably a few more). The ordering support is also somewhat lacking which would be a pain to fix if it wasn't a module. I'm not particularly trilled about taking it on but I'm not a fan of having this ancient merger around indefinitely either. {{u|Trappist the monk}} you seem like the obvious person to ask since you both developed the module and is the language guru, but it's completely understandable to not want to touch this. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 23:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
*::If I remember correctly, I wrote [[Module:Infobox multi-lingual name]] to consolidate multiple various templates (with all of their unique peculiarities) into a single source. Then I wrote a long long document describing the things that should be done to make the whole mess more sensible. Alas, I lost that document as the result of a catastrophic computer failure which was perhaps serendipitous because of the drama the would inevitably arise – you know how wikipedians hate hate hate change because oh my god the sky is falling. In retrospect, I came to realize that the better solution is to restart as a fresh design beginning with a whole new specification. If the fresh design is any good it can organically take over from existing infoboxen without drama. I have done nothing to advance that because, as you can see, it appears that wikipedians are more-or-less happy with the crap template that I wrote. And, it appears, that wikipedians couldn't give two hoots about merging the two infoboxen because nigh on four years since the tfds and here the merge lingers... Better to declare the merger dead and get on with life?
*::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 00:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
*:::Regarding the name - keep in mind we can create any number of useful redirects if adding "...Chinese" to something that isn't is a problem. That being said, if it gets built into a location-neutral module, it would make ''so much sense'' to rename the main template (wink wink). [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 13:14, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
*:::It's a mess right now but I think the problem isn't that people don't care but that there are very few people who feel confident enough with both the lua and the languages to take it on and the few who do either don't want to get involved in the drama side or are simply busy elsewhere. I think I may deal with it after I've finished the mergers I've started but then there won't be any huge improvements to the module but rather just what's required for the merger. No matter what a second RM is coming. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 14:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
*::::The primary purpose of this board is to implement the merger. If there are improvements made along the way that's great, but they're not a requirement and (not that this is the case for this merge) shouldn't hold up a merge. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 15:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
*::::: That the merge hasn't completed in 4 years surely means that it's reasonable to consider whether or not the original merge is still relevant. If we do continue with a merger, it seems perfectly reasonable to change the target to be called something like [[Template:Infobox multi-lingual name]], using [[Module:Infobox multi-lingual name]], rather than using the name of a language that isn't pertinent to many (most?) transclusions — the first page of [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_name_module]] shows me some Chinese but also a bunch of Japanese, French, Spanish and Italian films. — <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:OwenBlacker|OwenBlacker]]</span> <small>(he/him; [[User talk:OwenBlacker|Talk]]; please &#123;&#123;[[Template:ping|ping]]&#125;&#125; me in replies)</small></span> 20:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
*::::::{{ping|OwenBlacker}} I tried renaming at [[Template_talk:Infobox_Chinese#Requested_move_23_September_2019]]. More likely than not I will get to this during the summer so at least it shouldn't get to five years. I don't really see much that would have changed people opinions on this template. Not much has actually happened on this front. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 21:03, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
*:::::::@[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] I hope that this gets done soon. ;) [[User:Techie3|Techie3]] ([[User talk:Techie3|talk]]) 00:06, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
*::::::::{{u|Techie3}} There's actually been some significant progress since my comment above, most significantly that {{tl|Infobox East Asian name}} actually got done and a lot of the template work needed for a proper merge was done including some upgrades to {{tl|Infobox Chinese}}. It still remains some features that need fixing before a full merge is possible though and I'm not excited about doing that work. I can probably get a list of things that need doing if someone is interested in some annoying module work though and can deal with the template replacements afterwards. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 12:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
*:::::::::This merger is hard, it's boring and have been a huge time sink for several people for almost 6 years now. I never plan on touching this again and wouldn't oppose this just being removed as not done like was suggested in 2021. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 20:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
*::::::::::The non-Chinese East Asian language usages in Infoboxes can replaced with templates redirects to subtemplates of {{tl|Infobox Chinese}}. I'll work on this. [[User:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ]] ([[User talk:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|talk]]) 06:14, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
*:::::::::::Having taken a deeper look at this, there are [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C%7C+%2Anative_name+%2A%5C%3D+%2A%5C%7B%5C%7B%28Film+name%7CInfobox+name+module%29%5C%7C%5Ba-z%5D%5Ba-z%5D%5C%7C%5B%5E%3D%7D%5D%2B%5C%7D%5C%7D%2Fi&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1 4.4k] of form <code><nowiki>{{Infobox name module|lang_code|text}}</nowiki></code>. Most of these are European, Middle eastern and Indian languages which are inappropriate to merge with {{tl|Infobox Chinese}}. Apparently at the time of TFM in 2017 most usage of this template was for Chinese writing systems, obviously it has changed now. In light of this, I think we should just replace Chinese, Japanese and other languages that have multiple writing systems for which we already have subtemplates in {{tl|Infobox Chinese}}. We can add a tracking param, replace usages in articles with subtemplates or redirects, remove the params after they are replaced and retain {{tl|Infobox name module}} for iso language codes. [[User:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ]] ([[User talk:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|talk]]) 11:26, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
*::::::::::::Tracking cat setup at [[Template:Infobox name module/sandbox]]. Will make this live in a few days if there are no objections to my solution proposed above. [[User:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ]] ([[User talk:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|talk]]) 12:11, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{od}}Tracking cat added. I had already cleared most Japanese params, will work on others in the coming weeks. [[User:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ]] ([[User talk:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|talk]]) 17:10, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ]] As mentioned on your talk page, the changes you made to various South Korea-related articles that utilized <code>Infobox name module</code> causes issues to the Infobox presentation due to the subheader (Korean name) that was included automatically by <code>Infobox Korean</code> causing parameters (genre, based_on, developed_by, etc) that are part of <code>Infobox television</code> to be misleadingly displayed as if it's part of the Korean name grouping. Please resolve this before continuing with your extremely speedy replacement. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 17:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Trialpears said above that this merger has {{tq|been a huge time sink for several people for almost 6 years now}}. Well you can add a few hours of my time to the list. <s>Unless anyone enjoy drama and getting complaints from those you dislike any change, I too would suggest removing this as not done/stale.</s> [[User:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ]] ([[User talk:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|talk]]) 18:59, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Actually strike that, there are some options to replace it with minimal change to page rendering. Having two templates with similar functions is unhelpful for editors too and all the progress on this over the years shouldn't go waste. I'll see this through, compromising with the best options available. [[User:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ]] ([[User talk:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|talk]]) 15:22, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::I have emptied [[:Category:Infobox name module using deprecated parameters|the tracking cat]], which had ~6,000 articles. There is nothing more that can be broken off from this template that is handled by other templates. This is now ready for removal of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese and Sinhala params. Have updated doc page pointing to their replacements. I intend to sync [[Special:PermanentLink/1137787299]] from sandbox in a few days, along with removing the {{tl|being deleted}} template. [[User:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ]] ([[User talk:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|talk]]) 12:44, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
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