User talk:3Kingdoms

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Unblock Request

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

3Kingdoms (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Clearly people disagree with how I went about this. I found that no compelling reason why my edit was reverted and no one to mind gave a good response, furthrmore I found the actions of one User to be especially bad. Ultimately I accept that my constant back and forth was not the most productive. I will not edit Schenck's page anymore and will try to refraim from edit warring again if unblocked. 3Kingdoms (talk) 03:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Accept reason:

This block was correct and was necessary to protect the project. However, the conditions applied by the blocking admin were that "Though the block is indefinite, other admins might consider an unblock if they become convinced that the problem will not recur."
After questioning the editor, I have come to the conclusion that the editor's approach has changed to the point that the problem will not recur: (a) the Schenck page appears to be the source of the problem and the editor has agreed not to edit it further, (b) the editor has indicated they understand the issue that was created and has demonstrated their knowledge, to the degree I can reasonably ask them to demonstrate, of the edit-warring policy, (c) the editor has committed to not edit-warring in the future. In light of this, the block will be changed to a partial block of the Schenck article for a period of time. Additional instances of edit-warring (on any page) in the near future may require extraordinary measures to arrest such as reapplication of an indef. I think this unblock is consistent with the guidance provided in the block by the blocking admin.
The genesis of the current situation appears to have been a tête-à-tête between the editor and another editor. As a point of general advice, I recommend the editor voluntarily avoid interaction with the other editor for some reasonable period of time or, at least, treat their relationship as a clean slate and let bygones be bygones. If they feel they are being hounded in the future (and I have no idea if they were or were not) they should pursue conventional means of resolution such as the 3RR noticeboard or WP:ANI.
Finally, I don't consider the editor's commitment not to edit the Schenck article as precluding them from constructively participating in that article's Talk page, including registering edit requests, however, the editor could demonstrate their level-headedness by voluntarily avoiding the Talk page for a liberal period of time. Chetsford (talk) 20:11, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

:3Kingdoms ... not to split hairs here, however, would you be willing to absolutely refrain from edit warring in the future if unblocked, as opposed to just trying to refrain? I think if you could clarify that point it would be helpful in lifting the block. Chetsford (talk) 04:37, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes I would refraim entirely.3Kingdoms (talk) 12:10, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

3Kingdoms - two other quick questions. First, can you verify your familiarity with the edit warring policy by linking to the applicable page in reply to this message? Second, you said you wouldn't edit the Schenck article anymore if unblocked; would you, therefore, accept a partial block of just that page? Chetsford (talk) 19:22, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Chetsford- Yes here is the link. https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Wikipedia:Edit_warring I understand the three reverts rule applies in general. I thought it only applied if you were warned before. I also would accept a partial block of just that page, although I hope this can eventually be removed after showing that I will not repeat past mistakes. 3Kingdoms (talk) 19:53, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank-you for the unblock. 3Kingdoms (talk) 00:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Delay in Responding

Apologies. I'm dealing with some family issues including Hospice at the moment, and I'll be a bit delayed in responding to you on the Antifa talk page; didn't mean to just disappear. I'll do so when I'm able. Symmachus Auxiliarus (talk) 21:15, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey No problem, terribly sorry to hear that and I hope for the best for your family in this difficult time. That is far more important than posting on here and don't concern yourself with this. Will keep you and you family in my prays. Hope you are doing well despite these circumstances. Have a good day. 3Kingdoms (talk) 05:39, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia's principle of Original research

User:3Kingdoms, regarding this addition of material about Rice (1969) to the article, and your response at Talk:Anti-gender movement#Origin theories in this edit (permalink) :

I thought that Rice's book could also be considered a point of origin

There's a really important point about editing here at Wikipedia that's crucial that you get on board with, and that's Wikipedia's principle of No original research. In the context of the Anti-gender movement article, it means that it doesn't matter what you think about Rice's book; it matters what Rice says, or what other reliable sources say about his theories. What I'm trying to say, is, it doesn't matter whether *you* (or any editor) thinks that Rice's book could be considered a theory about origins or not; what's important is, did *Rice* declare that he had a theory about the origins of Gender ideology? If yes, then you can summarize his words and cite him. Given that he wrote in 1969 and the term hadn't been invented yet, it's pretty impossible that he would've been saying that. That said, it's not impossible that some academic writing in the late 90s or 2000 might've looked back to Rice's book and said, "Rice foresaw the origin of the coming gender ideology when he said this on page 237 of his book", and then you can add *that* to the article, citing Mr 2000 Academic. But what you did by adding that material is you engaged in Original research, which is prohibited at Wikipedia. It's very important that you understand it and comply with it. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 03:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I thought it could be considered that, well I am sorry for that. However, I will say that to me at least Pope Benedict did not really declare a theory either in the 1980s. Also regarding this quote "In 1997, American anti-abortion journalist Dale O’Leary wrote a book titled The Gender Agenda", This along with the the Vatican statement in the 1990s related to what Rice had said before. That's just my view, but I have no plans on fighting this. 3Kingdoms (talk) 04:05, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Don't worry, you're still new, you don't have to be sorry, we've all been there. Just keep it in mind, going forward. If what you say is true about Ratzinger, then possibly that shouldn't be in there, either. But, if some academic or reliable source reported later on what Ratzinger said back then, and characterized it as "Gender ideology", or somehow connected them, then you can include it, citing the academic. But if you made the connection yourself because it seemed obvious and logical, then you should remove it, pending the discovery of a published, reliable source that you can cite. Does this make sense? Mathglot (talk) 04:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah that makes sense. 3Kingdoms (talk) 05:02, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked indefinitely, please see my rationale here. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Bishonen | tålk 21:05, 30 August 2021 (UTC).

Got it. 3Kingdoms (talk) 21:21, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

If I were to appeal the block, is there anything you would recommend that I say or do to have a chance of it being overturned to show I will change? 3Kingdoms (talk) 22:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Not sure, sorry. To be frank, the trouble is that you don't have that much credibility at this time. I definitely wouldn't appeal any time soon, if I were you. One possibility might be to edit the Wikimedia Foundation's sister projects for six months (you're only blocked on the English Wikipedia) and then appeal, showing that you have edited the other projects without edit warring or other disruption. Bishonen | tålk 22:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC).

Thanks for the honest answer have a good day. 3Kingdoms (talk) 23:01, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Remember, indefinite does not always mean infinite. I really hope you take some time off and come back with a fresh mindset. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 00:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank for the Kitten and the Kind response, I am taking Bio's advice and gonna focus on wikiquote and other sister projects to show change on my part and hope for a repeal later on. Have a great day. 3Kingdoms (talk) 00:31, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Ideological colonization

Hello, 3Kingdoms. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Ideological colonization".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Request for unblock 4/22

This user is asking that their block be reviewed:

3Kingdoms (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I was clearly being hot-headed and to revert-happy before. As per recommendation I spent the last 7 months, relaxing, drinking tea, calming down, and editing on other wikis [1] where I had no issues. I understand that 3rr is not a privilege, but something to be used rarely. I understand that edit-warring is mulitple different things beyond violating the 3rr "gaming the system by waiting 24 hours before your fourth revert, or subtly changing your version each time so it is not a perfect revert, or otherwise edit warring over the article is seen to be editing in bad faith". I would happily accept a 6 month no revert or only 1rr, for a complete blank slate to start again. Thanks3Kingdoms (talk) 15:55, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

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Pinging blocking admin @Bishonen: reviewing this editor's history indicates that they definitely can be a positive editor, but that they've got to stop and think. While it's not a vast list of edits on Wikiquote, it's not a scattered handful. I'm still thinking myself, but thought I'd be time-efficient and ask for your thoughts now :) Nosebagbear (talk) 13:47, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Maybe a zero revert restriction for a while, as 3Kingdom suggests, would be a good idea. (I'd say 3 months rather than 6, which is a Wikipedia eternity.) But I'll be altogether happy to leave it to you, Nosebagbear. Bishonen | tålk 14:12, 27 April 2022 (UTC).

Hi 3Kingdoms, as I noted above, I certainly believe you can be a good editor, so it's just finding the restrictions that most encourage that. I'm inclined to go with the following - you let me know if you'd be willing to agree to them to be unblocked:

1. A zero revert restriction that lasts for 3 months
2. After that, a 1-revert-restriction that lasts for an additional 3 months, so long as you make at least 100 edits within the (in total) six months. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:26, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I accept the terms completely. However, to makes things clear, when I say blank slate I also mean things like the block on editing pages on the Arab-Iseral conflict. I wanted to make sure this point was clear so as not to cause any confusion or sense that I am breaking the agreement. 3Kingdoms (talk) 04:57, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Your topic ban in ARBPIA was set by Arbitration Enforcement here, with an appeal declined here, and can only be appealed to the imposing admin (Newslinger courtesy ping if you want to address that here), or again to WP:AE or to the arbitration committee. No one admin, besides the one who imposed the ban, can vacate it in favor of a revert restriction here. nableezy - 05:04, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Got it. If Newslinger would be willing to do so. It would be appreciated. 3Kingdoms (talk) 05:07, 28 April 2022 (UTC)